I was at the Live Earth show this weekend, and I, like many others at Giants stadium, noticed the plane hovering above carrying the banner which read:
DON’T BELIEVE AL GORE DEMANDDEBATE.COM
Members of this supposed grassroots org handed out the blue balls seen bouncing around the audience. They read: “I’m more worried about the intellectual debate” which is a half-assed attempt at attacking the Live Earth message.
I finally decided to check out the site, and I have to say, it’s a pile of crap. There’s nothing on the demand debate site that says what we should be actually be debating.
Nowhere on the page is it mentioned who the site’s creators are. Nowhere. I did a whois lookup and found only this:
Domain Name: DEMANDDEBATE.COM
Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com
Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com
Name Server: YNS1.YAHOO.COM
Name Server: YNS2.YAHOO.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 18-jun-2007
Creation Date: 16-apr-2007
Expiration Date: 16-apr-2009
A commentor here notes:
demanddebate.com is registered to Steven Milloy, a well-paid shill for big oil and big tobacco. “Demand Debate?†More like “Deliberate FUD.â€
DemocraticUnderground found a more complete whois:
Domain Name………. demanddebate.com
Creation Date…….. 2007-04-17
Registration Date…. 2007-04-17
Expiry Date………. 2009-04-17
Organisation Name…. Steven Milloy
Organisation Address. P O Box 99800
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. EmeryVille
Organisation Address. 94662
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US
Admin Name……….. PrivateRegContact Admin
Admin Address…….. P O Box 99800
Admin Address……..
Admin Address…….. EmeryVille
Admin Address…….. 94662
Admin Address…….. CA
Admin Address…….. US
Admin Email………. contact@myprivateregistration.com
Admin Phone………. +1.5105952002
Admin Fax…………
Tech Name………… PrivateRegContact TECH
Tech Address……… P O Box 99800
Tech Address………
Tech Address……… EmeryVille
Tech Address……… 94662
Tech Address……… CA
Tech Address……… US
Tech Email……….. contact@myprivateregistration.com
Tech Phone……….. +1.5105952002
Tech Fax………….
Name Server………. yns1.yahoo.com
Name Server………. yns2.yahoo.com
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
WHOIS Underlying Registry Data:
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: DEMANDDEBATE.COM
Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com
Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com
Name Server: YNS1.YAHOO.COM
Name Server: YNS2.YAHOO.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 18-jun-2007
Creation Date: 16-apr-2007
Expiration Date: 16-apr-2009
>>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:42:28 UTC < <<
The National Review confirms this here with this quote:
DemandDebate debuted at Live Earth (New Jersey) with four aerial banners (each with different messages questioning Gore and global warming), and T-shirts and beach balls bearing the message, “I’m more worried about the intellectual climate.” We had two six-man teams distribute T-shirts and beachballs inside and outside the stadium.
You can see what the Tees and balls look like at DemandDebate.com.
Attached is a photo of one of the aerial banners. Reportedly one of the banners was shown on NBC.
One pilot was listening to Al Gore on XM radio and timed a low pass to drown him out. The stunt apparently worked as we got lots of hate e-mail from Gore accolytes who complained that they couldn’t hear Al Gore.
The beach balls were ubiquitous on TV, and found their way on stage.
According to the Bergen Record, Live Earth performer John Mayer spent most of his post-performance press conference lamenting DemandDebate.
DemandDebate.com had 7,500 page hits over the weekend. Live Earth bloggers — including The Nation — were livid about DemandDebate.
I’m not sure where National Review got the quote from, since their Planet Gore blog seems to be the only place on the internet feauring anything from the above block quotation. However, the pieces seem to fit.
So there you have it. Steven Milloy, accused shill for the tobacco industry and quasi-science commentator for FOX News Channel staged this silly little diatribe.
The real issue with this isn’t whether or not we should be debating the merits of global warming.
Just clicking through the demanddebate.com site, I’ve noticed quite a few dirty tricks pop up.
A link to coverage of demand debate pulls up a negative music review of the concert by Hollywood Reporter’s Frank Scheck as if its one sentence line about demanddebate had anything to do with the article as a whole. It doesn’t.
Under the kits section of the site, a few movies are listed to offer as alternatives for teaching about global warming. Astroturfers have always liked to wedge an overall debate where there is virtually no debate within the scientific community regarding the overall theory. Think teaching creationism in science classes as a “balanced” alternative to teaching evolution.
Lastly, the site requests donations and appears to have plans to sell merch “soon.” Problem is, the only contact information on the site is a single Web form, so it’s not clearly apparent where your money is actually going.
I also found this interesting–yet uncomfirmed–tidbit:
A gatecrasher, in the form of a small airplane pulling a banner, asked the audience not to believe Al Gore and to demand debate at www.demanddebate.com (word has it from an anonymous Nation stringer that this airplane was spotted flying over Jacob Riis park in the Rockaways hours before the show — no word if Cheney has a pilot’s license).
I haven’t found any direct connection to a specific lobbying firm in D.C. or anywhere else, but I’m betting it took quite a few bottom feeders and neck-bearded mouthbreathers with money to pull this off.
The plus side is that the media hardly paid any attention to it. Maybe we’re starting to see the flaws in the “every story has two sides” argument?
God, I hope so.
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